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Hola a todos.
Resucita un proyecto para incrementar la precipitación en la cuenca del Lozoya
Doña Esperanza Aguirre (Presidenta de la Comunidad Autónoma de Madrid)
Este blog siempre ha sido y es apolítico y jamás se han tratado temas de opiniones personales sobre religión ni otros aspectos no relacionados con la meteorología,el clima o el medio ambiente.
A veces como hoy, resulta inevitable que algún político deba ser citado sobre decisiones que pueden afectar a la meteorología y concretamente a la producción "forzada" de precipitaciones. La lluvia "artificial" sería para mí un término meteorológico difícil de explicar como sucede con la nieve "artificial" que ahora empieza a ser definida como nieve "producida" que es en mi opinión más correcto.
Pués bien, volviendo al tema, la Presidenta de la Comunidad Autónoma de Madrid, Doña Esperanza Aguirre ha decidido dedicar un notable presupuesto ( 118.500 Euros) para la producción de nieve en la cuenca del río Lozoya en aquella Comunidad.
Sigue a continuación el artículo publicado en "El País" en el día de hoy y que detalla extensamente a notícia. También sugiero seguir la visita a los enlaces que recomienda el artículo.
http://www.radiometer-physics.
http://aeromotores.wordpress.
http://foro.tiempo.com/la-
Fuente : Roger Lloret Ríos ( A.C.A.M.). El Tiempo com . Meteored.
http://www.meteored.com.
"Aguirre destina 120.000 euros a
estimular nubes" para fabricar
nieve"
El Gobierno de Esperanza Aguirre acaba de adjudicar un contrato de 118.500 euros (excluido el IVA) en el marco de un proyecto que pretende aumentar las precipitaciones de nieve mediante tecnologías de “estimulación controlada de las nubes”. El Boletín Oficial de la Comunidad de Madrid publicó el 27 de febrero el anuncio: la empresa alemana Radiometer Physics prestará sus servicios de “suministro, instalación y puesta en servicio de un equipo radiómetro”, uno de los instrumentos necesarios para llevar a cabo la investigación.
Application areas are
Nearly 4 decades
of innovation.
Radiometer Physics GmbH
Aguirre resucita así un proyecto que data de 2006, cuando el Gobierno regional viajó a Israel, país pionero en estas técnicas, para interesarse por sus experimentos para provocar precipitaciones —principalmente de nieve— bombardeando nubes desde el suelo con yoduro de plata. Hace dos años el Ejecutivo madrileño aseguraba estar ultimando el proyecto, después de haber estudiado qué posibilidades de éxito tendría. Sin embargo, nada había vuelto a saberse sobre la intención de Aguirre de fabricar nieve. Hasta ahora.
Pese a que el anuncio en el boletín oficial apareció hace apenas 10 días, la adjudicación, sin licitación previa, es del 21 de noviembre pasado. El experimento se llevará a cabo en la cuenca del río Lozoya, tal y como anunció el Gobierno de Aguirre en 2010. La elección se debe a que cuenta con cinco embalses, que suman casi las dos terceras partes de la capacidad total de acopio de agua en la región. Una portavoz del Canal de Isabel II, de quien depende la adjudicación, asegura que aún se está estudiando la viabilidad del proyecto y “que sea sostenible con el medio ambiente”. El equipo radiómetro, añade que únicamente sirve para estudiar cómo se comportan las nubes, paso previo a poner en marcha la operación. Y subraya que el uso de yoduro de plata aún no está decidido y que hay otras posibilidades sobre la mesa.
“Sería mucho más útil emplear ese dinero público en campañas de ahorro y de concienciación ciudadana, que son las cosas que realmente ahorran recursos hídricos”, asegura Santiago Marín Barajas, de Ecologistas en Acción. “La eficacia de estos sistemas es mucho más que dudosa”, añade. “Cualquier día van a contratar zahoríes”. La organización ha pedido información sobre la repercusión ambiental del proyecto. China empleó sistemas de este tipo para provocar la lluvia durante los Juegos Olímpicos de Pekín, entre otras cosas para limpiar la excesiva contaminación de la urbe".
Hasta aquí el artículo de "El País" de ayer.
No he conseguido ver por ninguna parte si la Agencia Estatal de Meteorología (A.E.M.E.T.) con sede en la capital del Reino de España había intervenido en el proyecto o si va a hacerlo en breve.
No creo en la Meteopolítica, aunque conozco a variados practicantes de está disciplina basada en los malabarismos más aplaudibles (por sus incondicionales seguidores).
Creo que la ciencia debe no ya tan sólo participar como un elemento más, sino que debe ser la base para posteriores elucubraciones particulares que al final pagamos a "tanto por barba".
La opinión de los expertos no es particularmente favorable al procedimiento de producción de precipitaciones ya que sus resultados están llenos de incertidumbres. La opinión que sigue es de Jose Antonio Maldonado, Meteorólogo profesional además de simpático contertulio con acento y bromas muy divertidas de su Andalucía.
Sigue un artículo sobre el tema publicado por Jose Antonio Maldonado Zapata en 2009.
Nacido en Sevilla el 26 de Julio 1944. Famoso en RTVE hasta hace un par de años.
La lluvia artificial
En 1946, varios científicos consiguieron, mediante la siembra de una nube con anhídrido carbónico sólido que se produjese lluvia. A partir de entonces, sobre todo durante los años cincuenta, se hicieron bastantes intentos de aplicación de este proceso, tanto por parte de instituciones públicas como privadas que veían en la consolidación del proyecto la posibilidad de un éxito sin precedentes. El interés creciente llegó a su apogeo en los primeros años de la década de los setenta, época en la que las distintas empresas comerciales les ofrecían a los gobiernos de los países que más necesitaban agua, la posibilidad de la siembra de nubes.
Estas siembras se llevaban a cabo bien desde aviones, como en el caso de la primera siembra positiva, o desde el suelo. Para esto se quemaba en unos hornillos apropiados carbón de coque impregnado de yoduro de plata o de yoduro potásico en situaciones atmosféricas idóneas de forma que las columnas de humo ascendiesen hasta penetrar en la nube, donde el yoduro de plata (o el potásico) al cristalizar forma pequeños núcleos de condensación a los que se adhieren las gotitas hasta formar gotas más gruesas capaces de precipitarse.
Fue entonces cuando la OMM (Organización Meteorológica Mundial) decidió tomar cartas en el asunto y se inició (año 1975) el Proyecto de Intensificación de la Precipitación (PIP), como un experimento internacional, en el que hubiese un planteamiento adecuado para obtener unos resultados fidedignos. Tras una serie de estudios para elegir el lugar en el que llevar a cabo las pruebas pertinentes, se eligió la cuenca del Duero, en las proximidades de Valladolid, donde se realizaron tres campañas (años 1979, 1980 y 1981) con la participación de distintos países, en los que desde aviones con instrumentos y radares meteorológicos se analizaban las nubes para determinar si eran capaces de responder a la siembra con yoduro de plata. Al mismo tiempo, había que observar si ese tipo de nubes, con potencial de siembra, se prodigaban en la zona.
Por supuesto, se extrajeron consecuencias positivas que fueron un paso más en este apasionante estudio, pero se llegó a la conclusión de que el grado de incertidumbre era elevado y el coste, asimismo, excesivo para la rentabilidad que se podía obtener por lo que no se debía acometer de inmediato un proyecto masivo de siembra de nubes y sí, por el contrario, se estimó conveniente continuar con las siembras exploratorias.
También se han hecho y se continúan haciendo considerables esfuerzos para convertir el devastador granizo en lluvia. El sistema empleado es similar al de la producción de ésta. Es decir, consiste en aumentar los núcleos de condensación existentes en una nube en la que puede haber granizo para que se formen numerosos y pequeños gránulos que se vayan fundiendo y convirtiendo en lluvia antes de llegar al suelo, en lugar de pocos y grandes que se precipiten como pedrisco, empleándose para ello esos quemadores que hemos citado. En este campo, sin que se pueda decir que se ha encontrado la solución definitiva al problema, se han alcanzado mejores resultados que en cuanto a la lluvia.
Lo que parece claro es que modificar el tiempo, compitiendo con las fuertes energías que prevalecen en la atmósfera, es una tarea, hoy por hoy, imposible excepto con carácter muy local, aunque siga habiendo empresas o entidades que pregonen lo contrario. La conclusión final a la que se puede llegar es que los primeros éxitos llevaron a un desmesurado optimismo que posteriormente disminuyó sensiblemente y que en la actualidad no existen criterios cuantitativos y objetivos para determinar dónde y qué clase de nubes deberían sembrarse para obtener, con garantías, resultados satisfactorios. Y aunque la intensificación de la precipitación o la supresión del granizo continúan siendo una potencialidad real aún queda mucho por investigar tanto en la física de la atmósfera como en los laboratorios.
Habrá que contar, además, cuando la tecnología permita superar las deficiencias actualmente existentes para llevar a cabo esas modificaciones parciales del tiempo, con problemas jurídicos que de hecho se han planteado en algunas ocasiones. Los beneficios que un aumento de precipitación puedan suponer para determinados cultivos pueden ser perjudiciales para los colindantes. Se pueden producir lo que se denomina efectos fuera de zona, robo de nubes u otras circunstancias (una vez más, es aplicable aquello de que nunca llueve a gusto de todos). Habrá que reglamentar, por tanto, cuidadosamente, las actividades que en este campo se realicen y en esa línea de colaboración para la elaboración de directrices deberán trabajar las comunidades internacionales.
Tags: lluvia, Organización Meteorológica Mundial, Proyecto de Intensificación de la Precipitación, siembra de nubes, WMO
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http://maldonado.eltiempo.es/la-lluvia-artificial/
Astronomía Sur. Fórmula automática para obtener la humedad relativa o el punto de rocío:
http://www.astrosurf.com/astronosur/rocio.htm
Mapa de superfície previsto para el ¡¡ 25 de marzo !!. Afortunadamente poco fiable por lejano en el tiempo pero ¿y si esta vez fuera correcto?. Me temo que quizás no vaya muy errado.
Los incendios en el Pirineo, en directo
Lamentablemente irán proliferando los incendios si las condiciones meteorológicas no varían.
Nos tememos que vamos a tener muchos incendios.
El Periódico. Impresionante. con el trazado de una unidad de bomberos hacia el fuego de Santa Cristina.
Actualización hoy día 9 a las 21,35 horas.
Super tormenta de polvo al sur de Sicilia: 9 de marzo de 2012
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Una profunda borrasca lleva aire del sur cargada de polvo hacia en Mediterráneo Central. Sicilia está en la zona no deseada.
Imagen dust-polvo del satélite MSG del 9 de marzo de 2012 a las 20 UTC. Fuente: EUMETSAT.
Fuente: R.A.M. ( Revista del Aficionado a la Meteorología) http://www.tiempo.com/ram/
Mapa isobárico correspondiente a la advección sahariana el la isla de Sicilia.
Foto satelital de esta tarde noche. Se aprecia perfectamente la advección africana asociada a una intensa depresión en el Sur de Italia.
Tormentas muy duras pueden descargar el sábado dia 10 en Sicilia.
De momento nada mas saludos.
Mariscal Tro
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of innovation.
Radiometer Physics GmbH
Aguirre resucita así un proyecto que data de 2006, cuando el Gobierno regional viajó a Israel, país pionero en estas técnicas, para interesarse por sus experimentos para provocar precipitaciones —principalmente de nieve— bombardeando nubes desde el suelo con yoduro de plata. Hace dos años el Ejecutivo madrileño aseguraba estar ultimando el proyecto, después de haber estudiado qué posibilidades de éxito tendría. Sin embargo, nada había vuelto a saberse sobre la intención de Aguirre de fabricar nieve. Hasta ahora.
Pese a que el anuncio en el boletín oficial apareció hace apenas 10 días, la adjudicación, sin licitación previa, es del 21 de noviembre pasado. El experimento se llevará a cabo en la cuenca del río Lozoya, tal y como anunció el Gobierno de Aguirre en 2010. La elección se debe a que cuenta con cinco embalses, que suman casi las dos terceras partes de la capacidad total de acopio de agua en la región. Una portavoz del Canal de Isabel II, de quien depende la adjudicación, asegura que aún se está estudiando la viabilidad del proyecto y “que sea sostenible con el medio ambiente”. El equipo radiómetro, añade que únicamente sirve para estudiar cómo se comportan las nubes, paso previo a poner en marcha la operación. Y subraya que el uso de yoduro de plata aún no está decidido y que hay otras posibilidades sobre la mesa.
“Sería mucho más útil emplear ese dinero público en campañas de ahorro y de concienciación ciudadana, que son las cosas que realmente ahorran recursos hídricos”, asegura Santiago Marín Barajas, de Ecologistas en Acción. “La eficacia de estos sistemas es mucho más que dudosa”, añade. “Cualquier día van a contratar zahoríes”. La organización ha pedido información sobre la repercusión ambiental del proyecto. China empleó sistemas de este tipo para provocar la lluvia durante los Juegos Olímpicos de Pekín, entre otras cosas para limpiar la excesiva contaminación de la urbe".
Hasta aquí el artículo de "El País" de ayer.
No he conseguido ver por ninguna parte si la Agencia Estatal de Meteorología (A.E.M.E.T.) con sede en la capital del Reino de España había intervenido en el proyecto o si va a hacerlo en breve.
No creo en la Meteopolítica, aunque conozco a variados practicantes de está disciplina basada en los malabarismos más aplaudibles (por sus incondicionales seguidores).
Creo que la ciencia debe no ya tan sólo participar como un elemento más, sino que debe ser la base para posteriores elucubraciones particulares que al final pagamos a "tanto por barba".
La opinión de los expertos no es particularmente favorable al procedimiento de producción de precipitaciones ya que sus resultados están llenos de incertidumbres. La opinión que sigue es de Jose Antonio Maldonado, Meteorólogo profesional además de simpático contertulio con acento y bromas muy divertidas de su Andalucía.
Sigue un artículo sobre el tema publicado por Jose Antonio Maldonado Zapata en 2009.
Nacido en Sevilla el 26 de Julio 1944. Famoso en RTVE hasta hace un par de años.
La lluvia artificial
En 1946, varios científicos consiguieron, mediante la siembra de una nube con anhídrido carbónico sólido que se produjese lluvia. A partir de entonces, sobre todo durante los años cincuenta, se hicieron bastantes intentos de aplicación de este proceso, tanto por parte de instituciones públicas como privadas que veían en la consolidación del proyecto la posibilidad de un éxito sin precedentes. El interés creciente llegó a su apogeo en los primeros años de la década de los setenta, época en la que las distintas empresas comerciales les ofrecían a los gobiernos de los países que más necesitaban agua, la posibilidad de la siembra de nubes.
Estas siembras se llevaban a cabo bien desde aviones, como en el caso de la primera siembra positiva, o desde el suelo. Para esto se quemaba en unos hornillos apropiados carbón de coque impregnado de yoduro de plata o de yoduro potásico en situaciones atmosféricas idóneas de forma que las columnas de humo ascendiesen hasta penetrar en la nube, donde el yoduro de plata (o el potásico) al cristalizar forma pequeños núcleos de condensación a los que se adhieren las gotitas hasta formar gotas más gruesas capaces de precipitarse.
Fue entonces cuando la OMM (Organización Meteorológica Mundial) decidió tomar cartas en el asunto y se inició (año 1975) el Proyecto de Intensificación de la Precipitación (PIP), como un experimento internacional, en el que hubiese un planteamiento adecuado para obtener unos resultados fidedignos. Tras una serie de estudios para elegir el lugar en el que llevar a cabo las pruebas pertinentes, se eligió la cuenca del Duero, en las proximidades de Valladolid, donde se realizaron tres campañas (años 1979, 1980 y 1981) con la participación de distintos países, en los que desde aviones con instrumentos y radares meteorológicos se analizaban las nubes para determinar si eran capaces de responder a la siembra con yoduro de plata. Al mismo tiempo, había que observar si ese tipo de nubes, con potencial de siembra, se prodigaban en la zona.
Por supuesto, se extrajeron consecuencias positivas que fueron un paso más en este apasionante estudio, pero se llegó a la conclusión de que el grado de incertidumbre era elevado y el coste, asimismo, excesivo para la rentabilidad que se podía obtener por lo que no se debía acometer de inmediato un proyecto masivo de siembra de nubes y sí, por el contrario, se estimó conveniente continuar con las siembras exploratorias.
También se han hecho y se continúan haciendo considerables esfuerzos para convertir el devastador granizo en lluvia. El sistema empleado es similar al de la producción de ésta. Es decir, consiste en aumentar los núcleos de condensación existentes en una nube en la que puede haber granizo para que se formen numerosos y pequeños gránulos que se vayan fundiendo y convirtiendo en lluvia antes de llegar al suelo, en lugar de pocos y grandes que se precipiten como pedrisco, empleándose para ello esos quemadores que hemos citado. En este campo, sin que se pueda decir que se ha encontrado la solución definitiva al problema, se han alcanzado mejores resultados que en cuanto a la lluvia.
Lo que parece claro es que modificar el tiempo, compitiendo con las fuertes energías que prevalecen en la atmósfera, es una tarea, hoy por hoy, imposible excepto con carácter muy local, aunque siga habiendo empresas o entidades que pregonen lo contrario. La conclusión final a la que se puede llegar es que los primeros éxitos llevaron a un desmesurado optimismo que posteriormente disminuyó sensiblemente y que en la actualidad no existen criterios cuantitativos y objetivos para determinar dónde y qué clase de nubes deberían sembrarse para obtener, con garantías, resultados satisfactorios. Y aunque la intensificación de la precipitación o la supresión del granizo continúan siendo una potencialidad real aún queda mucho por investigar tanto en la física de la atmósfera como en los laboratorios.
Habrá que contar, además, cuando la tecnología permita superar las deficiencias actualmente existentes para llevar a cabo esas modificaciones parciales del tiempo, con problemas jurídicos que de hecho se han planteado en algunas ocasiones. Los beneficios que un aumento de precipitación puedan suponer para determinados cultivos pueden ser perjudiciales para los colindantes. Se pueden producir lo que se denomina efectos fuera de zona, robo de nubes u otras circunstancias (una vez más, es aplicable aquello de que nunca llueve a gusto de todos). Habrá que reglamentar, por tanto, cuidadosamente, las actividades que en este campo se realicen y en esa línea de colaboración para la elaboración de directrices deberán trabajar las comunidades internacionales.
Tags: lluvia, Organización Meteorológica Mundial, Proyecto de Intensificación de la Precipitación, siembra de nubes, WMO
Esta entrada ha sido posteada el Lunes, 8 de junio, 2009 a las 14:07 y está bajo General. Tu puedes seguir las respuestas a esta entrada a través de RSS 2.0 feed. Puedes dejar un comentario, o trackback desde tu sitio.
http://maldonado.eltiempo.es/la-lluvia-artificial/
Astronomía Sur. Fórmula automática para obtener la humedad relativa o el punto de rocío:
http://www.astrosurf.com/astronosur/rocio.htm
Mapa de superfície previsto para el ¡¡ 25 de marzo !!. Afortunadamente poco fiable por lejano en el tiempo pero ¿y si esta vez fuera correcto?. Me temo que quizás no vaya muy errado.
Los incendios en el Pirineo, en directo
Seguimiento minuto a minuto de la afectación y tareas de extinción de los fuegos en Lleida y Huesca
http://www.lavanguardia.com/sucesos/20120309/54266779265/incendios-pirineo.htmlLamentablemente irán proliferando los incendios si las condiciones meteorológicas no varían.
Nos tememos que vamos a tener muchos incendios.
El Periódico. Impresionante. con el trazado de una unidad de bomberos hacia el fuego de Santa Cristina.
Vista del incendio en Santa Cristina d'Aro iniciado el 9 de marzo.
Jordi Perales ( La Vanguardia).
Actualización hoy día 9 a las 21,35 horas.
Super tormenta de polvo al sur de Sicilia: 9 de marzo de 2012
| RAM Imagen del 9 de marzo de 2012. La Isla de Sicilia estaba en alerta roja por fuerte viento. Pero el viento no iba solo, había algo más. | |
Una profunda borrasca lleva aire del sur cargada de polvo hacia en Mediterráneo Central. Sicilia está en la zona no deseada.
Imagen dust-polvo del satélite MSG del 9 de marzo de 2012 a las 20 UTC. Fuente: EUMETSAT.
Mapa isobárico correspondiente a la advección sahariana el la isla de Sicilia.
Foto satelital de esta tarde noche. Se aprecia perfectamente la advección africana asociada a una intensa depresión en el Sur de Italia.
Tormentas muy duras pueden descargar el sábado dia 10 en Sicilia.
De momento nada mas saludos.
Mariscal Tro
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